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	<title>Comments on: Disincorporation an Option for Struggling Cities</title>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, maybe I was a bit unclear but that is exactly what I meant.  I&#039;m not saying they&#039;re a good thing, I was just saying that there are (perverse) incentives for a municipality who contracts with the county for most services to preserve that arrangement. It might even be to the benefit of residents of that municipality (even if it is to the detriment of drivers passing through), but most likely it is to the benefit of the local bureaucracies.

Even if more sales tax revenue became available for unincorporated county residents through dissolution, with the current political structure who is going to make sure it is spent evenly and appropriately? Unless all municipalities were dissolved and there was a radical reorganization of county government that involved local representation, residents would benefit much more from the responsiveness that would come with somewhat larger and more efficient combined municipalities. Easy access to public officials is a key part of why small suburban municipalities can be beneficial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, maybe I was a bit unclear but that is exactly what I meant.  I&#8217;m not saying they&#8217;re a good thing, I was just saying that there are (perverse) incentives for a municipality who contracts with the county for most services to preserve that arrangement. It might even be to the benefit of residents of that municipality (even if it is to the detriment of drivers passing through), but most likely it is to the benefit of the local bureaucracies.</p>
<p>Even if more sales tax revenue became available for unincorporated county residents through dissolution, with the current political structure who is going to make sure it is spent evenly and appropriately? Unless all municipalities were dissolved and there was a radical reorganization of county government that involved local representation, residents would benefit much more from the responsiveness that would come with somewhat larger and more efficient combined municipalities. Easy access to public officials is a key part of why small suburban municipalities can be beneficial.</p>
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		<title>By: David Stokes</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the traffic tickets, the county police don&#039;t use traffic enforcement as a revenue enhancer, so the amount of ticket revenue would decline substantially if some of these small cities disincorporated. I always thought that was one of the reasons Rock Hill never considered disincorporating - they made so much off of traffic tickets. The ending of traffic enforcement for revenue purposes would be a wonderful thing - that money would go to far more productive uses than municipal rackets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the traffic tickets, the county police don&#8217;t use traffic enforcement as a revenue enhancer, so the amount of ticket revenue would decline substantially if some of these small cities disincorporated. I always thought that was one of the reasons Rock Hill never considered disincorporating &#8211; they made so much off of traffic tickets. The ending of traffic enforcement for revenue purposes would be a wonderful thing &#8211; that money would go to far more productive uses than municipal rackets.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m definitely no fan of how fragmented government in the county is, but I&#039;ll play devil&#039;s advocate just because it isn&#039;t so simple as you say. I doubt that few, if any, municipalities contract with the county for everything. A good example is Bella Villa, which is completely surrounded by unincorporated county and contracts for many things but keeps its own police department which provides traffic ticket revenue that is just gravy on top of the normal revenue. If they contracted with the county for police service, those 600 or so residents wouldn&#039;t get nearly so large a share of that revenue.

Also, the biggest argument in favor or many local governments is that residents can pick and choose the best mix of services and tax rates that suits them. Contracting with the county isn&#039;t an all-or-nothing proposition - and municipalities can set their own tax rates. So a suburb full of recyclers living in fortified castles could set a low tax rate and choose a minimum level of county services a la carte, selecting maybe just road maintenance and fire protection while foregoing trash pickup and police protection. So if the county is a wholesaler of services, the middlemen analogy is a pretty good one. And let&#039;s not forget that there are some pretty awful unincorporated parts of the county. Affton and Spanish Lake are nice, but you also have Lemay and Castle Point. Part of the reason these areas get so bad is that residents are so far from their government.

All that being said, 91 municipalities is ridiculously inefficient for all of the reasons everyone already knows and more. But rather than consolidating responsibilities under the county, we should have fewer, larger municipal governments that can efficiently provide a range of tax/service mix choices to area residents. They should also be small enough and have a government structure that allows citizens some level of access so that you don&#039;t get the disconnect that leads to a Castle Point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m definitely no fan of how fragmented government in the county is, but I&#8217;ll play devil&#8217;s advocate just because it isn&#8217;t so simple as you say. I doubt that few, if any, municipalities contract with the county for everything. A good example is Bella Villa, which is completely surrounded by unincorporated county and contracts for many things but keeps its own police department which provides traffic ticket revenue that is just gravy on top of the normal revenue. If they contracted with the county for police service, those 600 or so residents wouldn&#8217;t get nearly so large a share of that revenue.</p>
<p>Also, the biggest argument in favor or many local governments is that residents can pick and choose the best mix of services and tax rates that suits them. Contracting with the county isn&#8217;t an all-or-nothing proposition &#8211; and municipalities can set their own tax rates. So a suburb full of recyclers living in fortified castles could set a low tax rate and choose a minimum level of county services a la carte, selecting maybe just road maintenance and fire protection while foregoing trash pickup and police protection. So if the county is a wholesaler of services, the middlemen analogy is a pretty good one. And let&#8217;s not forget that there are some pretty awful unincorporated parts of the county. Affton and Spanish Lake are nice, but you also have Lemay and Castle Point. Part of the reason these areas get so bad is that residents are so far from their government.</p>
<p>All that being said, 91 municipalities is ridiculously inefficient for all of the reasons everyone already knows and more. But rather than consolidating responsibilities under the county, we should have fewer, larger municipal governments that can efficiently provide a range of tax/service mix choices to area residents. They should also be small enough and have a government structure that allows citizens some level of access so that you don&#8217;t get the disconnect that leads to a Castle Point.</p>
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