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		<title>By: Eric D. Dixon</title>
		<link>http://www.showmedaily.org/2009/11/health-care-insurance-without.html/comment-page-1#comment-4156</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric D. Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect Swiss people want to keep their system as it is largely because they&#039;re &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/01/08/arnold-kling/insulation-vs-insurance/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;insulated from its costs&lt;/a&gt;, in the same way that light rail riders express satisfaction with the existence of light rail service -- their use of the system is so heavily subsidized that it seems like they&#039;re getting a great deal. The real costs aren&#039;t as apparent because they&#039;re dispersed among taxpayers.

I understand that most Swiss health care consumers must pay for their treatment up front, but the fact that they&#039;re reimbursed for most of these expenses later makes their awareness of health care costs incomplete and largely academic. The larger the subsidy, the greater the demand for and overuse of provided services, leading to the escalating budget shortfalls that the Swiss system has seen.

People enjoy consumption without payment. This is not surprising, and it&#039;s a lesson worth remembering. It&#039;s not worth emulating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Swiss people want to keep their system as it is largely because they&#8217;re <a href="http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/01/08/arnold-kling/insulation-vs-insurance/" rel="nofollow">insulated from its costs</a>, in the same way that light rail riders express satisfaction with the existence of light rail service &#8212; their use of the system is so heavily subsidized that it seems like they&#8217;re getting a great deal. The real costs aren&#8217;t as apparent because they&#8217;re dispersed among taxpayers.</p>
<p>I understand that most Swiss health care consumers must pay for their treatment up front, but the fact that they&#8217;re reimbursed for most of these expenses later makes their awareness of health care costs incomplete and largely academic. The larger the subsidy, the greater the demand for and overuse of provided services, leading to the escalating budget shortfalls that the Swiss system has seen.</p>
<p>People enjoy consumption without payment. This is not surprising, and it&#8217;s a lesson worth remembering. It&#8217;s not worth emulating.</p>
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		<title>By: Feman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Swiss program may have some problems.  Nevertheless, there is no reason why some of their ideas cannot be tried here.  What is most impressive is how much they like their new health care system.  Since their current health program was initiated in 1994, there have been several national elections where Swiss voters were offered a chance to change the system (May 2003, March 2007, and June 2008).  In each referendum over 70% of the voters were in favor of keeping the system just as it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Swiss program may have some problems.  Nevertheless, there is no reason why some of their ideas cannot be tried here.  What is most impressive is how much they like their new health care system.  Since their current health program was initiated in 1994, there have been several national elections where Swiss voters were offered a chance to change the system (May 2003, March 2007, and June 2008).  In each referendum over 70% of the voters were in favor of keeping the system just as it is.</p>
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		<title>By: vroman</title>
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		<dc:creator>vroman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rationing of some kind is the only answer I see&quot;

look harder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rationing of some kind is the only answer I see&#8221;</p>
<p>look harder</p>
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		<title>By: Papillon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Papillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post and the comment are both extremely informative.  However, I just see it as more of the question, can more care cost less money?  Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  However, at only 11.5 of GDP, rising? flat?, they are doing some things right.

Rationing of some kind is the only answer I see.  It may have to be done by the government, and their track record is not so good.  Rationing of post offices was floated/rejected and the elected officials got up in arms, and they might have been voted out if they didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post and the comment are both extremely informative.  However, I just see it as more of the question, can more care cost less money?  Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  However, at only 11.5 of GDP, rising? flat?, they are doing some things right.</p>
<p>Rationing of some kind is the only answer I see.  It may have to be done by the government, and their track record is not so good.  Rationing of post offices was floated/rejected and the elected officials got up in arms, and they might have been voted out if they didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric D. Dixon</title>
		<link>http://www.showmedaily.org/2009/11/health-care-insurance-without.html/comment-page-1#comment-4132</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric D. Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a report of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.patientpowernow.org/2009/10/08/swiss-health-care-rationing-waste/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some of the less rosy aspects of the Swiss health care system&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The &lt;a title=&quot;JAMA: Consumer-Driven Health Care&quot; href=&quot;http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/292/10/1213&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Swiss health care system&lt;/a&gt; [gated, but with abstract] has attracted interest from many conservatives because insurance there is mainly private, long-term, and personal and portable. By some estimates it also is the most egalitarian health system in the world. What is less well understood is that when the Swiss replaced mixed government and private financing of health care with mandatory health insurance in 1994, the resultant cost cutting efforts both damaged quality and introduced a lot of waste into the Swiss system.

In 2002, the government banned all new medical practices to control costs. The ban runs until 2010. Until then, a new physician cannot open a practice unless an old physician retires or dies. Efforts to save money by merging hospitals have created irrational allocations of specialty units. Alphonse Crespo, a Swiss orthopedic surgeon, reports that &lt;a title=&quot;CMPI: Physician Disempowerment, A Transatlantic Malaise&quot; href=&quot;http://www.drugwonks.com/uploads/File/Physician-Disempowerment.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;resources are now so poorly distributed&lt;/a&gt; that “because of the mergers, the distances between specialty units in some cantons are large.” Patients needing a urologist may have to go to another hospital. Patients have actually been put in helicopters just for a consultation. Researchers at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/krankenversicherung/02364/index.html?download=M3wBPgDB/8ull6Du36WenojQ1NTTjaXZnqWfVp7Yhmfhnapmmc7Zi6rZnqCkkIV8f3x/bKbXrZ6lhuDZz8mMps2gpKfo&amp;lang=fr&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;University of Lausanne report&lt;/a&gt; difficulties in accessing psychiatric care, rehabilitation care, long-term care, and orthopedic care.

Rationing is more likely to be imposed on the elderly and those with “a poor level of social integration.” Researchers in Geneva report that outcomes from the Swiss reforms suggest that financing health care using social health insurance is more regressive than direct financing. If true, this means that social insurance systems like ObamaCare end up &lt;a title=&quot;Bilger, Progressivity, horizontal inequality and reranking caused by health system financing: a decomposition analysis for Switzerland.&quot; href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18774190?ordinalpos=2&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;taxing the poor more heavily&lt;/a&gt; [gated, but with abstract] than existing systems in which most people pay for their own care and the poor rely on government programs.

Between 1971 and 2005, the average inflation-adjusted general practitioner salary in Switzerland fell by 37 percent before taxes. More young doctors are choosing to become specialists because the pay is better and the work is more interesting. There is a developing shortage of primary care. In March, swissinfo.ch reported that &lt;a title=&quot;Swiss Info: Doctors strike over hard-to-swallow reform&quot; href=&quot;http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/science_technology/Doctors_strike_over_hard_to_swallow_reform.html?siteSect=511&amp;sid=10493189&amp;cKey=1244791141000&amp;ty=st&amp;rs=yes&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;general practitioners held the first doctors’ strike&lt;/a&gt; “in living memory.” The government had decided to further ration practitioner access to laboratory tests.

With mandatory health insurance premiums set to rise 15 percent this year, the Swiss government is proposing more cuts. The cuts include restrictions on the type of health insurance that can be offered, restrictions on outpatient services, and a “&lt;a title=&quot;Swissinfo: Plan for &quot;patients&#039; tax&quot; causes outcry&quot; href=&quot;http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/search/Result.html?siteSect=882&amp;ty=st&amp;sid=10669679&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patient tax&lt;/a&gt;” that would require people to &lt;a title=&quot;Swissinfo.ch: Government health plans generate ill feeling&quot; href=&quot;http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/search/Result.html?siteSect=882&amp;ty=st&amp;sid=10759435&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pay for their first six visits to a doctor’s office&lt;/a&gt;. To make care more difficult to access, Swiss insurers may also be required to offer free telephone medical services as a “first port of call.” Even with the cuts, in some cantons, the mandatory premium &lt;a title=&quot;Swisster: Health insurance premiums to rise again&quot; href=&quot;http://www.swisster.ch/en/news/edu_health/health-insurance-premiums-to-rise-again_120-1791800&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;increase may be as much as 20 percent&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a report of <a href="http://www.patientpowernow.org/2009/10/08/swiss-health-care-rationing-waste/" rel="nofollow">some of the less rosy aspects of the Swiss health care system</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The <a title="JAMA: Consumer-Driven Health Care" href="http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/292/10/1213" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Swiss health care system</a> [gated, but with abstract] has attracted interest from many conservatives because insurance there is mainly private, long-term, and personal and portable. By some estimates it also is the most egalitarian health system in the world. What is less well understood is that when the Swiss replaced mixed government and private financing of health care with mandatory health insurance in 1994, the resultant cost cutting efforts both damaged quality and introduced a lot of waste into the Swiss system.</p>
<p>In 2002, the government banned all new medical practices to control costs. The ban runs until 2010. Until then, a new physician cannot open a practice unless an old physician retires or dies. Efforts to save money by merging hospitals have created irrational allocations of specialty units. Alphonse Crespo, a Swiss orthopedic surgeon, reports that <a title="CMPI: Physician Disempowerment, A Transatlantic Malaise" href="http://www.drugwonks.com/uploads/File/Physician-Disempowerment.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">resources are now so poorly distributed</a> that “because of the mergers, the distances between specialty units in some cantons are large.” Patients needing a urologist may have to go to another hospital. Patients have actually been put in helicopters just for a consultation. Researchers at the <a href="http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/krankenversicherung/02364/index.html?download=M3wBPgDB/8ull6Du36WenojQ1NTTjaXZnqWfVp7Yhmfhnapmmc7Zi6rZnqCkkIV8f3x/bKbXrZ6lhuDZz8mMps2gpKfo&amp;lang=fr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">University of Lausanne report</a> difficulties in accessing psychiatric care, rehabilitation care, long-term care, and orthopedic care.</p>
<p>Rationing is more likely to be imposed on the elderly and those with “a poor level of social integration.” Researchers in Geneva report that outcomes from the Swiss reforms suggest that financing health care using social health insurance is more regressive than direct financing. If true, this means that social insurance systems like ObamaCare end up <a title="Bilger, Progressivity, horizontal inequality and reranking caused by health system financing: a decomposition analysis for Switzerland." href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18774190?ordinalpos=2&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">taxing the poor more heavily</a> [gated, but with abstract] than existing systems in which most people pay for their own care and the poor rely on government programs.</p>
<p>Between 1971 and 2005, the average inflation-adjusted general practitioner salary in Switzerland fell by 37 percent before taxes. More young doctors are choosing to become specialists because the pay is better and the work is more interesting. There is a developing shortage of primary care. In March, swissinfo.ch reported that <a title="Swiss Info: Doctors strike over hard-to-swallow reform" href="http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/science_technology/Doctors_strike_over_hard_to_swallow_reform.html?siteSect=511&amp;sid=10493189&amp;cKey=1244791141000&amp;ty=st&amp;rs=yes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">general practitioners held the first doctors’ strike</a> “in living memory.” The government had decided to further ration practitioner access to laboratory tests.</p>
<p>With mandatory health insurance premiums set to rise 15 percent this year, the Swiss government is proposing more cuts. The cuts include restrictions on the type of health insurance that can be offered, restrictions on outpatient services, and a “<a title="Swissinfo: Plan for &quot;patients' tax&quot; causes outcry" href="http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/search/Result.html?siteSect=882&amp;ty=st&amp;sid=10669679" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">patient tax</a>” that would require people to <a title="Swissinfo.ch: Government health plans generate ill feeling" href="http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/search/Result.html?siteSect=882&amp;ty=st&amp;sid=10759435" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">pay for their first six visits to a doctor’s office</a>. To make care more difficult to access, Swiss insurers may also be required to offer free telephone medical services as a “first port of call.” Even with the cuts, in some cantons, the mandatory premium <a title="Swisster: Health insurance premiums to rise again" href="http://www.swisster.ch/en/news/edu_health/health-insurance-premiums-to-rise-again_120-1791800" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">increase may be as much as 20 percent</a>.</p></blockquote>
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