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	<title>Comments on: Contrary to Popular Opinion, Health Care Does Follow Free-Market Mechanisms</title>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Hartsell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin Hartsell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Chrissy.  For much of primary care, the real skill is knowing to which specialist one should direct actually sick patients.  Otherwise, all the vaccinations/ check-ups/ cold /flu-symptoms /strep and mono tests can USUALLY be handled by a less trained person, like a Physician&#039;s Assistant or Nurse Practitioner. (They are able to refer people to specialists just as well as doctors, too!)  

Someone mentioned in one of my Public Health classes that to stay informed in the most basic level as a general practitioner, you would need to read 30 journals a month.  That&#039;s nearly impossible, and they don&#039;t have time to really hash that out with patients anyway.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s better to allow MDs to specialize, because it is easier to be fully immersed in the literature, the new techniques, new diseases, etc when one is specialized.  (Should everyone pay a MD&#039;s price to go see a doctor about 90% of things?  Probably not)

In regards to businesses paying less for insurance, you can thank government tax structures and federal regulatory barriers for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Chrissy.  For much of primary care, the real skill is knowing to which specialist one should direct actually sick patients.  Otherwise, all the vaccinations/ check-ups/ cold /flu-symptoms /strep and mono tests can USUALLY be handled by a less trained person, like a Physician&#8217;s Assistant or Nurse Practitioner. (They are able to refer people to specialists just as well as doctors, too!)  </p>
<p>Someone mentioned in one of my Public Health classes that to stay informed in the most basic level as a general practitioner, you would need to read 30 journals a month.  That&#8217;s nearly impossible, and they don&#8217;t have time to really hash that out with patients anyway.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s better to allow MDs to specialize, because it is easier to be fully immersed in the literature, the new techniques, new diseases, etc when one is specialized.  (Should everyone pay a MD&#8217;s price to go see a doctor about 90% of things?  Probably not)</p>
<p>In regards to businesses paying less for insurance, you can thank government tax structures and federal regulatory barriers for that!</p>
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		<title>By: David C. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine,

I don&#039;t know if the mechanism you propose explains &lt;i&gt;increasing&lt;/i&gt; specialization: if there are a limited number of &#039;spots&#039; for radiologists, then increased competition for those spots will lead to better care (maybe).  It could also lead to more radiologists.

But be careful before you say &#039;the consumer wins&#039;.  We may have more and better-trained radiologists, but I am unlikely to need their services.  Instead, I may be stuck with a higher bill from my too-dumb-to-be-a-radiologist GP.

President Obama had a town hall meeting a few months ago where he talked to a woman who had some ridiculous amount of debt from going to med school.  Like $300,000.  Which is ridiculous.  Why go out-of-state and then complain about high tuition rates?  I was a little peeved.

Anyway, this woman said that she wanted to be a general practitioner because they do the most good for the most number of people, but she would be forced into becoming a higher-paid but less-useful-to-society specialist in order to pay off her student loans.  President Obama said something to the effect that if you agree to be a general practitioner for 5 years, the government will help you out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the mechanism you propose explains <i>increasing</i> specialization: if there are a limited number of &#8217;spots&#8217; for radiologists, then increased competition for those spots will lead to better care (maybe).  It could also lead to more radiologists.</p>
<p>But be careful before you say &#8216;the consumer wins&#8217;.  We may have more and better-trained radiologists, but I am unlikely to need their services.  Instead, I may be stuck with a higher bill from my too-dumb-to-be-a-radiologist GP.</p>
<p>President Obama had a town hall meeting a few months ago where he talked to a woman who had some ridiculous amount of debt from going to med school.  Like $300,000.  Which is ridiculous.  Why go out-of-state and then complain about high tuition rates?  I was a little peeved.</p>
<p>Anyway, this woman said that she wanted to be a general practitioner because they do the most good for the most number of people, but she would be forced into becoming a higher-paid but less-useful-to-society specialist in order to pay off her student loans.  President Obama said something to the effect that if you agree to be a general practitioner for 5 years, the government will help you out.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Harbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Harbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the comments, DCM! In your first point, you provide an excellent example of  free market mechanism in health care, and it&#039;s one that I didn&#039;t think of. However, I would describe the mechanism differently. 

Because subspecialties are more complicated and generate higher revenue for health care organizations than primary care, the best and brightest doctors will compete for these positions and beat out the less-talented doctors. A person doesn&#039;t even need an MD degree to provide excellent primary care. If I were seeking the services of a subspecialist, however, I would pay extra for a more-talented one. Patients get better health care as a result. The consumer wins!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comments, DCM! In your first point, you provide an excellent example of  free market mechanism in health care, and it&#8217;s one that I didn&#8217;t think of. However, I would describe the mechanism differently. </p>
<p>Because subspecialties are more complicated and generate higher revenue for health care organizations than primary care, the best and brightest doctors will compete for these positions and beat out the less-talented doctors. A person doesn&#8217;t even need an MD degree to provide excellent primary care. If I were seeking the services of a subspecialist, however, I would pay extra for a more-talented one. Patients get better health care as a result. The consumer wins!</p>
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		<title>By: David C. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought of two semi-related things and posted them to Chrissy&#039;s facebook, rather than here.  I&#039;ll repost them here for the sake of clarity, and so that Chrissy gets kudos from the Benign Libertarian Powers That Be.  Besides which, facebook doesn&#039;t let comments go on too long, and I can pontificate all I want here.

1.  Markets in Everything...

&quot;I read this and it made me think of another example of where Health Care Follows Market Mechanisms: increasing specialization of doctors. Who wants to be a general practitioner (snoooooze!) when you can be a radiologist/oncologist and make the big bucks?&quot;

2.  Other examples in health care of multiple-tiered pricing systems...

&quot;Another kinda tangential example of a multiple-tiered pricing structure: the market for health insurance. Businesses pay lower rates than people looking for an individual policy. CHRISSY, THE MARKET IS ALL AROUND US!! What an interesting world we live in when we stop to look!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of two semi-related things and posted them to Chrissy&#8217;s facebook, rather than here.  I&#8217;ll repost them here for the sake of clarity, and so that Chrissy gets kudos from the Benign Libertarian Powers That Be.  Besides which, facebook doesn&#8217;t let comments go on too long, and I can pontificate all I want here.</p>
<p>1.  Markets in Everything&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I read this and it made me think of another example of where Health Care Follows Market Mechanisms: increasing specialization of doctors. Who wants to be a general practitioner (snoooooze!) when you can be a radiologist/oncologist and make the big bucks?&#8221;</p>
<p>2.  Other examples in health care of multiple-tiered pricing systems&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Another kinda tangential example of a multiple-tiered pricing structure: the market for health insurance. Businesses pay lower rates than people looking for an individual policy. CHRISSY, THE MARKET IS ALL AROUND US!! What an interesting world we live in when we stop to look!&#8221;</p>
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