Comments on: Liberty, Curfews, and My Dart Nights http://www.showmedaily.org/2008/11/my-dart-nights.html Advancing liberty with responsibility by promoting market solutions for Missouri public policy Tue, 22 May 2012 19:02:29 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Joe Nonnenkamp http://www.showmedaily.org/2008/11/my-dart-nights.html/comment-page-1#comment-1308 Joe Nonnenkamp Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:39:02 +0000 http://www.showmedaily.org/?p=2012#comment-1308 Curfews are just a diversion, and won't accomplish anything. Every business has the right to kick people off their property if need be. But if people aren't causing any harm, what's the problem? And kids are fully capable of making their own fun. Curfews are just a diversion, and won’t accomplish anything. Every business has the right to kick people off their property if need be. But if people aren’t causing any harm, what’s the problem? And kids are fully capable of making their own fun.

]]> By: Sarah Anne http://www.showmedaily.org/2008/11/my-dart-nights.html/comment-page-1#comment-1289 Sarah Anne Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:05:12 +0000 http://www.showmedaily.org/?p=2012#comment-1289 "It’s no secret that this curfew has a lot to do with the migrating crime caused by the ease of travel created by Metrolink. Here is the article from RFT that brought this idea to my and a lot of people’s attention. My one concern with the curfew is where the crime will relocate to now? Shrewsbury? Lambert? Under Grand? Who knows?" Teenagers have been able to Metro to the Loop since you were in kindergarten. These kids aren't coming from Brentwood or Maplewood or Shrewsbury. There's nothing new about their ability to get to the Loop. There's been a rash of shootings recently, oh MAN that must be because of concealed carry! Right? “It’s no secret that this curfew has a lot to do with the migrating crime caused by the ease of travel created by Metrolink. Here is the article from RFT that brought this idea to my and a lot of people’s attention. My one concern with the curfew is where the crime will relocate to now? Shrewsbury? Lambert? Under Grand? Who knows?”

Teenagers have been able to Metro to the Loop since you were in kindergarten. These kids aren’t coming from Brentwood or Maplewood or Shrewsbury. There’s nothing new about their ability to get to the Loop. There’s been a rash of shootings recently, oh MAN that must be because of concealed carry! Right?

]]> By: Jack http://www.showmedaily.org/2008/11/my-dart-nights.html/comment-page-1#comment-1247 Jack Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:12:15 +0000 http://www.showmedaily.org/?p=2012#comment-1247 The Galleria has issued more than just a curfew, it has implemented policies which start at 3 PM for those under 17. GGP's printed/circulated statements state "those who lack proper identification will be asked to leave the property. ID must be tamper proof and include photograph and date of birth". Do your teenage sons/daughter that don't have a driver's license typically carry such ID? Parents with responsible offsprings who live in walkable distance of the Galleria no longer allow them to go to movies or shop there any more. Gun laws don't work well either. The Galleria has issued more than just a curfew, it has implemented policies which start at 3 PM for those under 17. GGP’s printed/circulated statements state “those who lack proper identification will be asked to leave the property. ID must be tamper proof and include photograph and date of birth”.

Do your teenage sons/daughter that don’t have a driver’s license typically carry such ID? Parents with responsible offsprings who live in walkable distance of the Galleria no longer allow them to go to movies or shop there any more. Gun laws don’t work well either.

]]> By: Greg http://www.showmedaily.org/2008/11/my-dart-nights.html/comment-page-1#comment-1235 Greg Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:12:24 +0000 http://www.showmedaily.org/?p=2012#comment-1235 I wholeheartedly support the curfew proposal, I was at the Loop for dinner last Saturday with my lovely wife, and we were subjected to an unreasonable amount of catcalling from a group of aggressive youths. Or it may have been this friend of yours, Jimmy. I can't be sure, it was dark. Regardless, the police should be there to do something about this. I wholeheartedly support the curfew proposal, I was at the Loop for dinner last Saturday with my lovely wife, and we were subjected to an unreasonable amount of catcalling from a group of aggressive youths. Or it may have been this friend of yours, Jimmy. I can’t be sure, it was dark. Regardless, the police should be there to do something about this.

]]> By: Mike http://www.showmedaily.org/2008/11/my-dart-nights.html/comment-page-1#comment-1232 Mike Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:30:21 +0000 http://www.showmedaily.org/?p=2012#comment-1232 Make no mistake that the only reason that the author did not hang out in the Loop at age 15 is that the only friends of his that drove at that time all lived in Glendale/ Webster Groves. Because of this, Dave spent his time loitering at the Burger King and/or Steak 'n' Shake on Brentwood Blvd, in a specific basement in Belleville or in my living room drinking my father's beer. Make no mistake that the only reason that the author did not hang out in the Loop at age 15 is that the only friends of his that drove at that time all lived in Glendale/ Webster Groves. Because of this, Dave spent his time loitering at the Burger King and/or Steak ‘n’ Shake on Brentwood Blvd, in a specific basement in Belleville or in my living room drinking my father’s beer.

]]> By: Pat Eckelkamp http://www.showmedaily.org/2008/11/my-dart-nights.html/comment-page-1#comment-1224 Pat Eckelkamp Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:51:45 +0000 http://www.showmedaily.org/?p=2012#comment-1224 Funny you say that. I just returned from a local watering hole and the bartender asked me how old I was. I turn 21 in 3 weeks and the drinking age in Madrid, Spain (if even enforced) is 18. This curfew will only further add to my public humiliation. Funny you say that. I just returned from a local watering hole and the bartender asked me how old I was. I turn 21 in 3 weeks and the drinking age in Madrid, Spain (if even enforced) is 18. This curfew will only further add to my public humiliation.

]]> By: Jacob Voss http://www.showmedaily.org/2008/11/my-dart-nights.html/comment-page-1#comment-1222 Jacob Voss Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:23:16 +0000 http://www.showmedaily.org/?p=2012#comment-1222 Ah being 16, I remember it as if it were only 4 years ago. It's no secret that this curfew has a lot to do with the migrating crime caused by the ease of travel created by Metrolink. <a href="http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2008-08-20/news/out-of-control-shoplifting-at-the-st-louis-galleria-violent-attacks-in-the-delmar-loop-is-metrolink-a-vehicle-for-crime/" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is the article from RFT that brought this idea to my and a lot of people's attention. My one concern with the curfew is where the crime will relocate to now? Shrewsbury? Lambert? Under Grand? Who knows? Being of age when I can still remember what curfews felt like, I can say I support this. Frankly, how much civil liberty is being lost by these minors when they aren't allowed to hang out at the Loop? Now, I'm sure if they were actually patronizing these establishments, shop keepers would not be in favor of this curfew, but from the sound of it, loitering seems to be the theme here. Why can't they hang out at Taco Bell like we did in WashMo? Fourth Meal. The fact is one day these kids will turn 18 and be able to loiter wherever they feel like it. That's why I support this curfew and that's why I supported the curfew at the Galleria. Plus, I think it's hilarious when my girlfriend or Pat Eckelkamp gets carded by mall cops. Ah being 16, I remember it as if it were only 4 years ago. It’s no secret that this curfew has a lot to do with the migrating crime caused by the ease of travel created by Metrolink. Here is the article from RFT that brought this idea to my and a lot of people’s attention. My one concern with the curfew is where the crime will relocate to now? Shrewsbury? Lambert? Under Grand? Who knows?

Being of age when I can still remember what curfews felt like, I can say I support this. Frankly, how much civil liberty is being lost by these minors when they aren’t allowed to hang out at the Loop? Now, I’m sure if they were actually patronizing these establishments, shop keepers would not be in favor of this curfew, but from the sound of it, loitering seems to be the theme here. Why can’t they hang out at Taco Bell like we did in WashMo? Fourth Meal.

The fact is one day these kids will turn 18 and be able to loiter wherever they feel like it. That’s why I support this curfew and that’s why I supported the curfew at the Galleria. Plus, I think it’s hilarious when my girlfriend or Pat Eckelkamp gets carded by mall cops.

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